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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    From a public health perspective that's the logical thing to do.

    Move the emissions to where there are less people.

    Improve population health
    And the miles/pollution ratio is FAR more efficient with electric too As is energy conversion efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    And the miles/pollution ratio is FAR more efficient with electric too As is energy conversion efficiency.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...ur_car_exhaust

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    Fascinating read - thanks - vilifying properly maintained older cars seems inappropriate and indeed keeping them going a very green solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by jos View Post
    Fascinating read - thanks - vilifying properly maintained older cars seems inappropriate and indeed keeping them going a very green solution
    Agree - it shows just how much jiggery pokery has had to go on to get modern diesels through a test that is real world useless.

    I also feel in some ways sorry for VAG as their cars did ‘game’ the US tests but they are amongst the cleanest diesels around.

    Given that the MOT test is next to useless on emissions and one of the biggest growing areas in the aftermarket is now stripping and chipping diesels of their cleaning tech I feel a big clamp down coming to force more diesels off the road.

    The old shed of a golf was good as it shows what kind of interest and understanding a mainstream London journalists has in cars. The dad buying a diesel because he goes to France once a year and it’s cheaper shows how clueless personal economics can get too.

    On a related note I have a family acquaintance whose Porsche Macan diesel has done its particulate filter at 11,000 miles. He should have never been sold the car given his use cases (school run) but he is considering that he will sue for ‘mis-selling’. More and more of this will happen as these lev6 diesels don’t work in urban settings / short journeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    On a related note I have a family acquaintance whose Porsche Macan diesel has done its particulate filter at 11,000 miles. He should have never been sold the car given his use cases (school run) but he is considering that he will sue for ‘mis-selling’.
    You cannot be serious. Someone choses to buy a car and he blames the salesman for not ensuring that it was appropriate for his needs.

    If this is the case we can all expect lengthy questionaires when buying a new car. Do you plan to have any children? Yes, we can't sell you any two seater sports car then. Have you ever driven a high performance car? No, Then wave goodbye to your potential Ferrari purchase. Will you drive outside of a town. No, well you can't have that Chelsea tractor.

    Buying a car is not buying a regulated financial product where you need to know your client (some of the associated insurance products are). The decision on what car rests firmly with the buyer. If the buyer doesn't do the research to buy the right car then there is only one person to blame and it is not the salesman.

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    ^^^ could not agree more. It's why we live in a free country, the joy of choice.

    That said, there are a lot of muppets about that do minimal mileage and shouldn't have bought a diesel. Totally their fault though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    On a related note I have a family acquaintance whose Porsche Macan diesel has done its particulate filter at 11,000 miles. He should have never been sold the car given his use cases (school run) but he is considering that he will sue for ‘mis-selling’. More and more of this will happen as these lev6 diesels don’t work in urban settings / short journeys.
    Well I thought that buying a diesel Porsche was a pretty stupid thing to do, but trying to sue over a car that was subject to "mis - selling" takes it to a new level of stupid...........wish your mate good luck with his case and I hope he has very deep pockets

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    When you broaden your appeal beyond the narrow niche of people who understand your product you seriously expose yourself to muppetry. But this story takes the biscuit!

    Of course, you CAN have a Ferrari saloon car and even an SUV. Its just badged as a Maserati, thats all!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenC View Post
    You cannot be serious. Someone choses to buy a car and he blames the salesman for not ensuring that it was appropriate for his needs.

    If this is the case we can all expect lengthy questionaires when buying a new car. Do you plan to have any children? Yes, we can't sell you any two seater sports car then. Have you ever driven a high performance car? No, Then wave goodbye to your potential Ferrari purchase. Will you drive outside of a town. No, well you can't have that Chelsea tractor.

    Buying a car is not buying a regulated financial product where you need to know your client (some of the associated insurance products are). The decision on what car rests firmly with the buyer. If the buyer doesn't do the research to buy the right car then there is only one person to blame and it is not the salesman.
    The trouble is most cars ARE now bought on PCP and are intrinsically linked to regulated financial product now so if you buy a car that your use case causes an expensive issue with and your residual is no where near what you were led to believe it would be....

    You can see where this is going right...

    We on here are all enthusiasts and not comparable to most normal people who are highly reliant on sales staff.

    Any reasonable person would accept that for the vast majority who are non-expert buyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modificato View Post
    The trouble is most cars ARE now bought on PCP and are intrinsically linked to regulated financial product now so if you buy a car that your use case causes an expensive issue with and your residual is no where near what you were led to believe it would be....

    You can see where this is going right...

    We on here are all enthusiasts and not comparable to most normal people who are highly reliant on sales staff.

    Any reasonable person would accept that for the vast majority who are non-expert buyers.
    What a load of bull. A sales man is not responsible in putting the buyer in a car that is best suited to his needs. If a punter relies on the recommendation of a salesman without any further consideration then that is at their own lookout. You simply cannot place an iota of responsibility on the salesman from a legal, or any other, perspective.

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